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This has got to be a joke… Peole don’t like ATI because their union leadership is actively undermining the entire ACMI space to get a few more planes and their pilots are a bunch of pushover losers who won’t stand up for themselves. It’s got nothing to do with ‘not being fedex’, it’s what they are doing to an otherwise ok industry – I am not an ACMI hater, I just recognize that ATI’s union is essentially run by management and the pilot group refuses to do anything about it (and in fact encourages it) and it’s bad for everyone… competitors and otherwise. Don’t go to ATI dude- go anywhere else where you can have the respect of your peers and respect for yourself.

I probably got a little carried away, but the point is that there’s a lot hate spewed on here about ATI when in fact they are near the top of the ACMI heap now. They are certainly better than all the regionals. I’ll go wherever offers the best life for me and my family, and if ATI calls before Omni or Kalitta, then I won’t let the APC crybabies stop me.

ACMI can be a career destination, or a stop along the way. There’s people that make a career of flying feeder freight in a caravan, and whether they are military evaluator pilots or high school dropouts it makes no real difference. It doesn’t here either. I’m sure it ticks some of you off that your career destination is considered a stepping stone to some people, but it is what it is.

I’ve been there/done that and just talked to a friend about a week ago who’s been there for over 20 years. Setting aside the crappy contract (which he was upset about), he has never been more worried for the safety of their operations (one young inexperienced captain almost running out of gas is only one of many incidents). He also told me they are in trouble with the FAA for a lot of shoddy practices, including the recent incident where they were caught by the FAA changing logbook times after the fact to make the trip "legal." I don’t know the full extent of whats going on over there but it certainly doesn’t sound good or that they are at the "top of the heap."

I don’t work there (yet, hopefully) but I have read most of the new contract, not just the highlights. Granted, I’m no expert at airline contracts, but it doesn’t look bad to me at all. Within 5 years on property you are making over 200 grand, and only working half the month. The one thing lacking is retirement, true, but if you are making 200 grand and can’t be bothered to save anything for your own retirement then that’s to your own discredit. Is it Legacy, no, but you could retire from there a very wealthy person if you took a little personal responsibility. It’s lightyears ahead of a regional, and beats a lot of the other ACMI operators.

I probably got a little carried away, but the point is that there’s a lot hate spewed on here about ATI when in fact they are near the top of the ACMI heap now. They are certainly better than all the regionals. I’ll go wherever offers the best life for me and my family, and if ATI calls before Omni or Kalitta, then I won’t let the APC crybabies stop me.

ACMI can be a career destination, or a stop along the way. There’s people that make a career of flying feeder freight in a caravan, and whether they are military evaluator pilots or high school dropouts it makes no real difference. It doesn’t here either. I’m sure it ticks some of you off that your career destination is considered a stepping stone to some people, but it is what it is.

No piloting job should ever be treated as a stepping stone job. THAT is exactly what managements want you to think so you’ll accept less. You may internally think that based upon you personal career goals, but you never ever ever publicly say it, or in any other way validate that management has convinced you’re worth less since it’s just a stepping stone. You’re a unions worst nightmare.

I’ll assume that "stepping stone" isn’t a dirty word in this context. Or maybe it is. APC is hard to read in that regard. I’m not as lofty as a military evaluator pilot, but I can tell you stories about being on the ground calling in you guys to save our ass. I spent a few harrowing years kicking doors as an infantryman at the behest of our government, and now the same motivation that guided me to kick in a possibly boobytrapped door with a haj holding a PRK behind it summons me to attack this new career.

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I don’t give two squarts of **** if you were a military evaluator pilot, at least if that’s what still makes you feel superior to everyone else. If the shoe fits wear it. I tried AROTC, and my eyes didn’t let me get a flight slot. Life is what it is. You aren’t superior for a second.

I’ll eat crow on this one, I violated my own rule about drinking beer and social media. Apologies for flying into left field and acting like an ass. What I failed to articulate is that people stop at every rung of the career. I know an ex F16 IP who is flying a caravan. I could care less if you are a high school dropout, or a C17 driver with a doctorate degree. You’ve got no right to be disgruntled if someone views your career destination as a place to springboard them to THEIR personal career destination. Not a single one of us can throw that stone, as we have all built experience at a job where someone else is going to stay, be it flight instruction, a regional, or cargo.