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Hey farmboy. had the same experience with chickens. lost two to my very timid kelpie. took one of the dead chickens, rubbed her all over while i was holding her down and yelling. kinda like the stupid thing of rubbing a dog’s nose in his poop or urine in the house. a moment of fury. temple grandin probably wouldn’t recommend that. dog doesn’t bother chickens any more, and doesn’t give the sneaky look either. made sure to bring dog around the chickens and to reinforce my growling when she looked at chickens, but it’s ok to look at them, etc, but no "stalking" posture, just herding at the most. my other dog herds them into the barn and away from the garden. taught them to do that too. there is a grid of a dog’s face with cartoon representation of muzzle length and facial expressions, can’t remember if that’s the combination. basically, the more shortened the muzzle and puppylike in appearance, the less the dog will chase, grab kill, eat. the more wolf like, ie longer snout, the more toward the end of the spectrum they will actually eat the thing they kill. the timid dog won’t grasp a squirrel unless my other dog grasps, shakes, kills and breaks skin. so when they kill 14 of them, they are not getting the reinforcement of the full stomach to tell them to quit, they are doing it for fun and don’t understand what they are doing as there is no boundry reinforcement. I have a fence with a small gate in front i leave open. i taught, reinforced my dogs NEVER to exit, and to bark if anyone even looks inside from anywhere on the property. yes there are beware dog signs etc. had stuff stolen from the barn, short cut walkers etc, and yes have blanket or whatever it’s called insurance for that. my wife is a stay at home mom and we live near where gangs roam and cut across property, so i’ll take a bite lawsuit before i’ll take a sorry wife and daughter dead any day.

Last year I was at a friends house and we heard alot of noise coming from the cow barn which is toward the back end of the property. So, we grabbed a couple of heavy stick (more like limbs, but you know what I mean). We got back there and there were 4 dogs attacking a group of calves. My friend didn’t even hesitate. He jacked one dog straight in the head and it dropped right there. This is the time in the story where I tell you that my friend is one strong dude. He wrestles and all that so he’s definately buff. After he smacked that one, I got in on it. The only dog killed was the first one hit, but we got all of them pretty much knocked out and we knew where they came from so we took them to the guy’s place and dumped them on his yard. We haven’t heard anything from the guy so I guess he either doesn’t let his dogs run around anymore or they don’t come around my friend’s place. It’s too bad that some dogs have that instinct to kill so strongly ingrained in them. Our heeler used to chase cats, but after gettin a scratch or two across the nose, he doesn’t bother them anymore.

Two stories – have a friend with lots of sheep, working oxen, cows etc and a few donkeys (sheep guards) – foolish city people with German Shepherd bouthg a home that backed up to their fence – one day the friend watched as the donkeys went out into the field and "herded" everyone – sheep, lambs, cows, calves and working oxen up to the barn – then went back out to the fence where the dog ( – can’t call the dog foolish – but the owners were plenty stupid) was still sitcking his head thru the fence and they tried to stomp him (go donkey!!). The neighbor had the nerve to come over and say something like "your donkey’s were trying to kill my dog" and the reply was "and if your dog ever gets into my pasture they will kill your dog"

Story 2 – the guard horse – my front pasture follows the drive with is about 750 feet from the road – and it is divided in half by a singel hot wire – horse on one side – cows/calves on the other (calves go under back and fort h as they please) – strange dog running loose on the road – horse rounds up all the calves (don’t really know how he did it because some were on the other side of the hotwire) and brought them up to the barn (where they stayed) and then went back out to the road – one night there was this huge comotion and one cow just screaming – drag sorry butt out and all the cows and the horse are facing north (into woods – horse never faces north, food is south!) and all the calves were in his pen up by the barn) – I have no idea what it was – didn’t see anything but he obvioulsy has a job and does it well. Good horse. Good donkeys!

Quote from: knabe on May 01, 2007, 02:07:55 PM Hey farmboy. had the same experience with chickens. lost two to my very timid kelpie. took one of the dead chickens, rubbed her all over while i was holding her down and yelling. kinda like the stupid thing of rubbing a dog’s nose in his poop or urine in the house. a moment of fury. temple grandin probably wouldn’t recommend that. dog doesn’t bother chickens any more, and doesn’t give the sneaky look either. made sure to bring dog around the chickens and to reinforce my growling when she looked at chickens, but it’s ok to look at them, etc, but no "stalking" posture, just herding at the most. my other dog herds them into the barn and away from the garden. taught them to do that too. there is a grid of a dog’s face with cartoon representation of muzzle length and facial expressions, can’t remember if that’s the combination. basically, the more shortened the muzzle and puppylike in appearance, the less the dog will chase, grab kill, eat. the more wolf like, ie longer snout, the more toward the end of the spectrum they will actually eat the thing they kill. the timid dog won’t grasp a squirrel unless my other dog grasps, shakes, kills and breaks skin. so when they kill 14 of them, they are not getting the reinforcement of the full stomach to tell them to quit, they are doing it for fun and don’t understand what they are doing as there is no boundry reinforcement. I have a fence with a small gate in front i leave open. i taught, reinforced my dogs NEVER to exit, and to bark if anyone even looks inside from anywhere on the property. yes there are beware dog signs etc. had stuff stolen from the barn, short cut walkers etc, and yes have blanket or whatever it’s called insurance for that. my wife is a stay at home mom and we live near where gangs roam and cut across property, so i’ll take a bite lawsuit before i’ll take a sorry wife and daughter dead any day.