Old brood cocks and hens. electricity year 4

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Breed em as long you can, however you can if they are proven fowl. It is in the blood yes, just like all species. Some have success with breeding winners as their basis, some have it with either one (cock or hen) or both unproven parent(s) that end up throwing aces. In my experience, key is not to take the old cock back over hens that are too close. I screwed up like that once and that was enough for me lol. I once bred a old 10 year old Grey (that did fine at 9 yrs old) to one of his daughters that was 14 months and 3/4th of him of which he had fathered at 9 years old. He was getting old and wanted some more hens that were more concentrated on his genes (7/8th). electricity water analogy animation All but one of the 7/8th pullets didnt pan out for me, even the stags were runts but beyond that they were feeble looking. The 3/4th were fine. At 11 I took put him over a young Grey/Albany specimen, solid offspring. I went on and bred these hens back to the Albany side to arrive at 5/8th Alb, 3/8th Grey theoretically. The thing was the gene pool of the Grey was too tight bred and I’ll never do that again regardless.

Del’s rooster that got it done although being old had a touch of Manziel Grey which was great b/c having had the Muggs so long and a close family, it expanded the gene pool in the blood composite just enough to deliver what he already knew the original breeding of the marked in and Brown Red Muggs should produce. He knew the Manziel Grey and Mugg already worked so it shld work again. Expectations werent met on their first nor second attempt, so you stay with it and eventually it should surface. Patience, insight and persistence in staying the course as this one was anywhere from a 3 to 5 year project.

All of us have our own ideas and opinions about what to breed and how to go about breeding them. Tom Hargus once told me that his Little Johnny Greys are bred very tight and he only breeds a newgeneration of the Little Johnnys once every 5 years to avoid the risks of too close inbreeding. electricity projects in pakistan Tom is 92 years old and his Little Johnny Greys are still going as strong as he is so who are we to argue with Tom’s success? But personally, I have neither the patience nor temperament to wait 5 years to produce a new generation of my High Noon Hatch or Leipers. My aim has always been to produce a new generation of stags and pullets every year and to make them better than the generation that came before. When it comes to breeding, the whole idea is to produce a new generation of offspring that are as good or better than the generation that came before. 5 years between new generations is a long time to wait to see if we’re on the right track. While it is true that some cocks will not show their best until 2 or 3 years of age, it is also true that some stags will show you all you need to see at 11 or 12 months of age. As I said before, I have neither the patience nor temperament to wait 2 or 3 years before deciding on whether or not a cock is worthy of a place in the brood pen. This is why I am a firm advocate of breeding stags and pullets. If they prove their worth in the show ring and in the brood pen at 1 year of age, you have another 3 to 5 years to spread their good genes among and around the family gene pool. If they don’t have it in them to produce quality offspring at 1 year of age, they are certainly not going to be any better at 2 or 3. My fowl are bred for American and Mexican shows. You may breed for a different kind of show in which case you may totally disregard what I have written here.

Now I know some of you will think I am nuts for saying this. Actually when I first heard it, I said to myself this guy is full of it. But he showed me in his breeding books to back up what he was saying. Now I am fully aware of a fat cock will not be fertile. What I am about to say blew my mind and yes I have actually seen it work as well. I know this old cocker and out of respect I will not say his name. He showed me that when a cock is not fertile and the weight is right just keep setting the eggs and eventually you will start getting chicks. Most likely it will be very late in the breeding season and I mean very late in the year. Most people do not like to raise late. Usually late like July, August or September is what I am talking about. So take it from someone who actually did it, before you discard an old cock that you cannot replace the blood line. Do yourself a favor and try this, I will never forget this as long as I live. I went back and told the old man thank you for that information. I would have never believed it if I had not seen it with my on eyes. But I will say this I did this another time and it did not work. gas density problems So it is not 100%, but it does work!! He showed me twice in his breeding books where it worked and that is why I tried it. If you don’t agree that is fine, all I am doing is trying to help others out. I have often wondered how many of us all have killed cocks because they was not fertile anymore and if I had just known about this. I thought I was stubborn but when he showed me setting after setting in his book and no hatch I would have done like most replaced the cock. I am forever thankful to him because he helped me save a bloodline I just knew was a goner. Hope this helps some of you like it did me. Keep’em Crowing!!!

Madigin, McClanahan, Kelso, Allen, Lacy, Leiper, Eslin, Gay, Worthall, O’Neal, Wortham all had something in common with their fowl. They were all known for winning consistently in 1-3 pittings. Honestly how do you improve over that? How many lines of Madigin clarets today win consistently by themselves anymore, much less in the style of the ones Madigin bred? All of those cockers were known to breed old cocks and hens, maybe not to each other but still it was a while inbetween generations.

When a new family is started let’s just say you start out with a McRae\lacy hen and breed it to a Blueface cock, then breed the best 3-way cross cock back to his mama. To stay in top the longest with this cross do you make a lot of generations and lose the hybrid vigor? Myself I would look at cocks like Kelso and Madigin did of another line with similar style and cut to help propagate the same type. Do you cull your original pair of your budding family when you do that? Not if they’re still winning.

You have 4-5 brood pens of similar type cocks with pullets out of your original brood pen. Some pens will work out and some won’t, you have some older 3 way cross cocks, your original brood pair and if you’re lucky one or more of your 2nd generation pens have worked out with an outside cock. Now if you haven’t culled your old fowl you should be able to breed like to like within this budding family based on the original McRae \Lacy hen. j gastrointest oncol impact factor If fewer generations are used the hybrid vigor should last longer, where as with more generations you’ll use it up quicker.

That’s how it was explained to me, and it made sense. If you keep breeding many generations quickly in a line the variation with in the line narrows to the point you have a gene puddle. You need a bit of a wading pool otherwise you start getting fowl with issues, small, big, manfighters, flighty, sickly, low fertility. Then they have to have an outcross.

Now I know some of you will think I am nuts for saying this. Actually when I first heard it, I said to myself this guy is full of it. But he showed me in his breeding books to back up what he was saying. Now I am fully aware of a fat cock will not be fertile. What I am about to say blew my mind and yes I have actually seen it work as well. electricity worksheets grade 9 I know this old cocker and out of respect I will not say his name. He showed me that when a cock is not fertile and the weight is right just keep setting the eggs and eventually you will start getting chicks. Most likely it will be very late in the breeding season and I mean very late in the year. Most people do not like to raise late. Usually late like July, August or September is what I am talking about. So take it from someone who actually did it, before you discard an old cock that you cannot replace the blood line. Do yourself a favor and try this, I will never forget this as long as I live. I went back and told the old man thank you for that information. I would have never believed it if I had not seen it with my on eyes. But I will say this I did this another time and it did not work. So it is not 100%, but it does work!! He showed me twice in his breeding books where it worked and that is why I tried it. year 6 electricity assessment If you don’t agree that is fine, all I am doing is trying to help others out. I have often wondered how many of us all have killed cocks because they was not fertile anymore and if I had just known about this. I thought I was stubborn but when he showed me setting after setting in his book and no hatch I would have done like most replaced the cock. I am forever thankful to him because he helped me save a bloodline I just knew was a goner. Hope this helps some of you like it did me. Keep’em Crowing!!!You are right my friend I know it to be true to. The last 2 years I’ve have done this and got a couple from a very old brood cock that is not fertile during breeding season. I stumbled up on this way by accident lol. A good friend of mine was starting back and came but one day I think he had his incubator still running trying to get a few to start with so I gave I’m some eggs from this pen with the old cock and told him to try them but they may not hatch because I haven’t got any off of him that year. To make a long story short I think he hatched half or more from the old cock and got some very fine offspring from him.

When I was involved with Boer Goats I did considerable work with embryo transfers and AI, as well as collecting and freezing semen. When semen is collected, it is checked for volume and viability by microscope before it is"extended" and put in "straws" in a nitrogen tank. It was proven on many occasions that bucks that had not been breeding regularly had the lowest quality sperm. Most bucks appeared healthy but their sperm count was low. gas in chest Some had mostly "spinners" which were sperm with a hooked tail that only swam in circles, unable to travel to the egg. Most times these problems could be fixed by breeding the bucks for a couple weeks to grade does for meat kids and by giving antibiotics for a short while.

So from this experience, I think being able to get some fertile eggs late in the year might mean the old cock needs to be used more earlier, maybe before you intend to keep eggs from him put him with some early layers. Also wouldn’t hurt to give him a shot of oxytetracycline. Commercial turkey producers do AI almost exclusively and they might have some info. that would help us with breeding problems.

I was once having problems with gameness. I believe now it was a matter of having no records to go by and not knowing what was what. Anyway, way back when I wrote Mac White about his fowl and the issues I was having and naturally he couldn’t speak definitively on it as he didn’t know all the circumstances but he did say Duke Hulsey once told him the quickest way to dunghills is breeding old cocks and hens. I’ve thought about that over the years and the theory makes sense, after all we have the most sex drive and are more potent when younger. On the other hand I’ve heard of so many great families being made by a multiple winning cock or a hen that has multiple winning sons. No way to do that without age. Makes you wonder. Thanks Del, as if I didn’t have enough to ponder hahahahhaits just seems ashamed if u have a great producinv cock or hen no matter the age not to breed them till he or she can’t produce any offspring anymore. Now I just wouldn’t pair the old cock ans old hen together anymore. As long as u use youth one one side of the mating you should b fine